Dear Karen
Many thanks for your email. I’m writing to confirm receipt from the Minister’s office. We hope to provide a response as soon we can.
Best regards,
Riccardo
Riccardo Robertson | Head of Office to the Minister for Children and Families
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>Sent: 02 May 2025 12:16To: Janet DABY <janet.daby.mp@parliament.uk> PS, Daby <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk> PS, Daby <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk> DAVIES, Emma3 <Emma3.DAVIES@education.gov.uk>Subject: Movement for An Adoption Apology.
Dear Minister Daby,
I hope this email finds you well. I am writing to follow up on our previous communications regarding the need for a formal government apology, human violations, our concerns regarding DES, suicide rates, reparations and preservation of records relating to forced adoption practices and family separation. Despite your two reassurances on 28 January and 9 April ‘25 that we would receive updates post-CSR and after Easter, we are still awaiting further information. (Please note our previous correspondence was also sent on behalf of the Adult Adoptee Movement which didn’t appear to be acknowledged.)
Could we kindly have that update please?
Also given the current plans for local government reorganisation, and the risk to records that reorganisation inevitably poses, we urge you to now issue an instruction for all relevant records to be maintained and protected for a period of 100 years. This should include immediate steps for their preservation and digitisation to mitigate the risk of loss, as the importance of these records cannot be overstated.
Additionally, we would like to draw your attention to the attached correspondence from Minister John Swinney, where he acknowledges in part the need for a commitment to an oral history project. Initiatives of this type are essential to ensuring that the voices of those affected are heard and that we can move forward with understanding and healing. It would be wonderful to see the U.K. government move in the same direction.
We appreciate your attention to this urgent matter and look forward to your prompt response.
Please kindly confirm receipt of my email.
We thank you for your continued interest and support.
Yours sincerely,
Karen Constantine.
Movement for Adoption Apology England.
Copy and text of the letter from John Swinney MSP.
Rt Hon John Swinney MSP
An Fhior Urr John Swinney BPA
First Minister of Scotland
Am Priomh Mhinistear
St Andrew’s House, Regent Road, Edinburgh EH1 3DG
Taigh Naomh Andrais, Rathad Regent, Dùn ideann EH1 3DG
Jeannot Farmer, Movement for Adoption Apology Scotland
Copied to: Maureen Nicholson, Movement for Adoption Apology Scotland
Dr Janet Greenlees, Glasgow Caledonian University
Marie McNair MSP
marie.mcnair.msp@parliament.scot
S c o t t i s h G o v e r n m e n t
Riaghaltas na h-Alba
29 April 2025
Dear Jeannot,
Thank you once again for taking the time to meet with me recently. I was very grateful for the
opportunity to hear directly from you and Maureen about the important work that the
Movement for Adoption Apology Scotland is doing to raise awareness of the lasting impact of
historic forced adoption practices and forced family separation. I was also grateful to hear
from Dr Greenlees about the importance of record preservation.
I have given careful consideration to the two key requests that you raised during our
conversation, specifically on the establishment of a truth and recovery project and on rapid
legislation mandating the immediate preservation and digitisation of records. These are
significant proposals, and I fully appreciate the reasons behind them given the trauma that
many people continue to endure, and the need for wider societal recognition and education
in relation to this painful chapter in our nation’s history. I have also asked my officials to
carefully consider the paper you shared in advance of the meeting.
As I confirmed when we met, it is not my intention to establish a statutory public inquiry and
as we discussed I do not believe this would deliver the outcome you are seeking. However, I
very much recognise the importance of acknowledging the past and creating space for the
sharing and proper recording of personal testimonies. With that in mind, I have asked
officials to further explore the potential for an oral history project and they will be in touch
with you shortly to discuss how this might be best taken forward. We are keen to understand
what might be meaningful for those affected, and what is deliverable within the existing
budget and resources that are available.
In relation to the immediate preservation of records, I appreciate the issues raised and your
concern regarding the safeguarding of information. You will be aware that there is already a
comprehensive legislative framework in place in relation to adoption records in Scotland.
As part of this framework, the Adoption Agencies (Scotland) Regulations 2009 specify what
information should be held by adoption agencies as part of case records. When an adoption
is made, these records must generally be held by adoption agencies for at least 100 years.
The Regulations also place a duty on the agency to ensure that case records are at all times
kept in an accessible form in secure conditions and in particular that all appropriate
measures are taken to prevent theft, unauthorised disclosure, damage, loss or destruction.
Court records of adoption (i.e the record of legal proceedings and actual Adoption Order) are
subject to Sheriff Court/Court of Session rules and are kept permanently.
When mother and baby institutions closed in Scotland, all adoption records should have
been passed to local authorities or voluntary adoption agencies. However, some records will
have been lost or destroyed and I recognise the very significant and lasting emotional impact
on those affected. You higlighted during our discussion your view that legislation should
oblige public bodies, private institutions and charities to keep records relating to adoption
and family separation. I have asked my officials to explore this further with you, with a view
to Ministers considering whether new legislation may be needed and if so, what an
appropriate timescale and vehicle would be for bringing it forward.
I appreciate that this response does not fully meet your request for the establishment of a
comprehensive cross-government Truth and Recovery project, but l am keen that officials
work with you in the months ahead to advance the proposals referenced in this letter and I
have asked them to keep me updated as this work progresses. Above all, I want to assure
you of the Scottish Government’s commitment to engaging constructively with the Movement
for Adoption Apology Scotland and ensuring that the voice of those affected continues to be
heard.
Kind regards,
John Sweeney.
Thank you for providing the additional text. I will include it in the correspondence sequence in the correct chronological order. Here’s the updated record:
—
**2025**
– **28 January 2025**
From: Janet Daby MP <janet.daby.mp@parliament.uk>
To: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
Subject: Response regarding historical adoption practices.
Dear Ms Constantine,
Thank you for your correspondence of 13 January, regarding historical adoption practices.
I want to thank you for keeping me informed of the work the Movement for Adoption Apology (MAA) and others will be involved in this coming year. I appreciate that this is very important to you personally and the members of the MAA and other organisations working in this area.
Officials at the department are reviewing the requests from your letter of the 16 October and are considering where the department can support. This may take some time as we need to consider the spending review which is still in progress. We will make sure to be in touch in the near future.
I recognise that using intermediary services may be challenging and that outcomes will not always be successful. My department has committed to writing to intermediary services to ensure that they are able to best serve people seeking information about their adoption records, birth family, or to establish contact with birth relatives.
I do recognise the concerns you have raised and understand the importance of these issues. Please be assured that I am giving this matter every attention and that I truly recognise the urgency for everyone affected.
Thank you for writing to me. I hope that this response is useful.
Yours sincerely,
Jay
Janet Daby MP
Minister for Children and Families
– **9 April 2025**
From: Janet Daby MP <janet.daby.mp@parliament.uk>
To: ClIr Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
Subject: Response to concerns regarding women and adult adoptees.
Dear ClIr Constantine,
Thank you for your correspondence of 20 March, regarding women and adult adoptees. I am replying as the minister responsible for this policy area.
I do want to assure you that we are still looking very seriously at your concerns and those of the Movement for an Adoption Apology and I hope we will be able to make progress after Easter.
You flagged the question of the impact of Diethylstilbestrol. You may be aware that Karin Symth MP, Minister of State for Secondary Care in the Department of Health and Social Care, recently answered a Parliamentary Question on this. This can be found on GOV.UK at: tinyurl.com/2S4MMXMU.
I note also what you shared with me about the unpublished research from the United States of America. At this stage I am unable to comment, given the status of the findings, but I will be very interested to engage with this further when this is published. Departmental officials have advised me that they have no knowledge of similar studies in the UK which specifically relate to adoptees or birth mothers. In addition, the Office for National Statistics does not hold mortality statistics by birth status, such as whether a person is adopted, as this information is not recorded on the death certificate.
I am committed to doing more to support women, as well as adult adoptees, on whom poor historical practices have had an impact, and we are giving these matters detailed consideration.
Thank you for your kind invitation to meet. My office is aware of your request and will be in touch if I am able to do so in the near future.
Thank you for writing. I hope that this response is useful.
Yours sincerely,
Jay
Janet Daby MP
Minister for Children and Families
Sanctuary Buildings 20 Great Smith Street London SW1P 3BT
tel: 0370 000 2288 www.education.gov.uk/contactus/dfe
– **20 March 2025**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: Daby PS <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk>, Daby-DIARY PS <Daby-DIARY.PS@education.gov.uk>, Janet DABY <janet.daby.mp@parliament.uk>, Emma3.DAVIES@education.gov.uk
Subject: Update from MAA & AAM – ref. 2025-0001514
Dear Janet,
Thank you very much for your letter by email dated 28 January. I have shared this with both MAA and also AAM, and I feedback to you on their behalf.
We all deeply hope progress can be swiftly made with regard to a formal government apology. We remain baffled as to why this hasn’t yet happened, and it’s challenging for us to remain optimistic about the potential apology, and to see the value in our participation with the Government’s own inquiry.
As has been outlined, many people are suffering; trapped by a lifetime of trauma and shame, which a formal government apology would do much to alleviate. It is equally baffling that the UK government remains an outlier in global terms, being one of the last to issue a meaningful statement of apology to women and Adult Adoptees, many of whom are aging. Little wonder that so many I speak with now feel cynical.
If there was an update, or even a willingness to meet as requested many times, this could revive flagging belief that your government holds our concerns with genuine respect.
However, our concerns continue to expand. The recent media exposure of the impact of Diethylstilbestrol demands further investigation and action from the government. What action does your government propose?
New and devastatingly shocking research is emerging from the States indicating a suicide rate which is deeply disturbing. The initial findings of Professor Lynn Zubov’s ground-breaking research into suicide rates and life expectancy among Adult Adoptees and First Mothers, (which she advises to “Use with caution: These data points are currently being prepared for publication.”) are extremely concerning, and we would wish to know, how does the UK compare, and who – if anyone – is conducting this or similar research in the UK?
Professor Zubov details reported rates of attempted suicide and suicide:
“Survey data report 22.6% of adoptees and 22.7% of first mothers (also known as birth mothers) reported attempted suicide
Using the 0.6% rate of attempted suicide
Adoptees are roughly 37.65 times (37.64*0.6=22.58) more likely to attempt suicide
First mothers are 37.83 times (37.83*0.6=22.69) more likely to attempt suicide
First mothers’ [also known as birth mothers] rate of suicide.
According to the CDC, 5.7 out of 100,000 (0.0057%) of US women die by suicide
Out of the 245 adoptees who reported that their first mothers were deceased, nine stated that the cause of their mother’s death was suicide
Making the suicide rate among first-time mothers 3.67% (9 out of 245)
That makes first mothers more than 600 times more likely to die by suicide.
(3.67 divided by 0.0057 =643.8, 643 times 0.0057 = 3.66)”
I’d like to highlight the most shocking finding “first mothers are more than 600 times more likely to die of suicide.” This chimes with my own detailed research for Taken: Experiences of Forced Adoption. Suicide ideation was a key theme. (I did submit a complimentary copy of my book to aid government understanding.)
However, there was a further finding that caused us to take a very deep breath. “The average life expectancy for women is 80 years. However, only 18.3% of first mothers live longer than 80 years old.”
We would all be most grateful for an update on the apology matter, and would appreciate your comments on the research outlined, including details of any plans the government have to conduct similar research, to ensure Adult Adoptee’s and Birth / First Mothers are not at a further disadvantage compared to non-adopted people and mothers who did not experience this historic practice.
We are working with both the BBC’s Duncan Kennedy and ITV’s Sarah Corker to surface these life and death issues.
The public, and those directly impacted need to know the facts.
I would be grateful if you would confirm receipt of this email.
Kind regards,
Karen.
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
Date: 13 January 2025 at 09:31:52 GMT
To: Janet DABY <janet.daby.mp@parliament.uk>, Daby-DIARY PS <Daby-DIARY.PS@education.gov.uk>, Daby PS <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk>
Cc:Emma3.DAVIES@education.gov.uk
Subject: The matter of an apology for historic forced adoptions.
Dear Minister Daby,
The matter of an apology for historic forced adoptions.
Firstly, I hope my email finds you well after the recess?
It was good to meet you, Emma Davies, Deputy Director for Adoption, Kinship and Alternatives to Care and Tim Waters, Special Adviser, on 14 October. As promised, my letter detailing MAA’s ‘requests’ was provided to you on 16 October.
I have now had the opportunity to reflect on your response, received on 18 October, and to have discussions with MAA, the Movement for an Adoption Apology and other parties involved. I write again as a survivor of mother and baby homes, as an author, a Labour county councillor and as a member of the MAA steering committee.
MAA are continuing to campaign for a formal apology. Planned activities for 2025 so far, include an open day for members, liaison with academics with an interest in these historic matters, cooperation with film / documentary makers and journalists, continuing our work with the TUC and highlighting our joint work with our newly ‘recruited’ champions. It looks like a packed year, and this reflects our growing supporter base and mushrooming interest in historic forced adoptions. We are exploring all avenues to advance our cause.
In addition, AAM, the Adult Adoptee Movement, have also now requested that I seek a meeting with you on their behalf. Perhaps you could share your thoughts? MAA are also seeking to forge a closer link with AAM given the synergy between the two groups.
I’m sure you can understand how difficult life is for some of the MAA women (and their children), many of whom are living with lifelong trauma. It’s impossible for me to overstate the value of a formal apology for these abhorrent historic practices. I wonder again, if it would be possible for you to hold a short, agenda-driven listening / engagement opportunity with a 3 or 4 of MAA’s key activists. We believe that a positive engagement session could be very useful. We also believe an apology would not only boost our members’ morale, but as happened in Australia with Julia Gillard, it would boost the reputation of whoever finally gives an apology. Of course, we hope that would be our Prime Minister, Keir Starmer.
Without some progress, we feel we are in ‘permanent deferment’. We are concerned to make headway and would like some reassurance from the Government, especially in light of the comments made by Education Secretary, Bridget Phillipson on 17 October and Deputy Prime Minister, Angela Rayner more recently on 12 December, who, when interviewed, were asked if they would make the formal apology due, said, “I do recognise the grave injustice that was done to far too many women”, and “We have to learn the lessons of the past” respectively.
MAA also note the Government’s response to the same question to Cllr Vernon Smith, Chair Gloucestershire County Council on 31 July 2024, and Dr Michael Lambert on 02 August 2024. Also responses entered into Hansard, one to Gregory Stafford MP, UIN 3654, tabled on 30 August 2024 and the second UIN 8750 to Sir John Whittingdale MP on 14 October 2024. All largely repeating this same message, that the Government is aware and, of course, regrets the historic actions of previous governments.
One of these government responses states, “we are committed to ensuring that improvements are made in the way that those affected by historical adoption practices are supported.” However I can assure you from my own councillor casework, that access to intermediary support is complex and often too difficult to access. That access to trauma informed support is all but impossible, unless paid for from a private practitioner. This leaves many trapped by the historic trauma.
A further response directly from yourself states, “We have also written to local authorities, encouraging them to retain historical adoption records for 100 years instead of 75, to make access to records easier, and asking them to support access without undue delay to such records”. Could I ask how exactly is this request being managed and monitored? Encouraging authorities to maintain records is not the same as compelling them. Where is the support for elderly and, all too often, infirm and traumatised people to be adequately supported and enabled to access their records? I am particularly concerned about the guidance to councils given we are about to enter into an historic (and much needed) reorganisation of public services. What more needs to be done to protect these records?
Also in Hansard you state, “The department is currently funding the Adoption England project ‘Improving Adoption Services for Adults’, which is designed to maintain relationships and facilitate access to better support for adopted adults, including those adopted between 1940 to 1970. The department will continue to review the offer, including looking to learn from the approach of the devolved nations, and will consider how we can collaborate across government to provide support.” What are the headlines from this project? What assistance isavailable for those impacted after 1970?
The debate about historic forced adoptions isn’t static. It is evolving. It’s also intergenerational and will not dissipate. Leaning into our learning from our recent visit to meet activists in Northern Ireland we believe the U.K. Government is potentially in breach of:-
– The Forced Labour Convention 1930, which came into effect in 1932, and the UK ratified on 3 June 1931.
– The European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), which came into effect in 1953, and the UK ratified in 1951.
– The Abolition of Forced Labour Convention 1957 ,which came into effect in 1959, and the UK ratified in 1957.
– The Supplementary Convention on the Abolition of Slavery, the Slave Trade, and Institutions and Practices Similar to Slavery, 296 which came into effect in 1957, and the UK ratified that same year.
– The International Covenant on Civilian Political Rights (ICCPR) and International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (ICESCR), both of which came into effect in 1976, and the UK ratified that same year.
In addition, the UK became bound by the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW) in 1986, and by the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (UNCAT) in 1988 – shortly before the last Mother and Baby institution closed.
We request that you note since the mother and baby institutions closed in the mid 1980s the UK has become party to the Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC) (which entered into force in 1990, and the UK ratified in 1991) and the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (which entered into force in 2008, and the UK ratified in 2009). This is of course in addition to the somewhat narrower grounds of Right to Family life.
We feel that as we are aging, time is against us, and we are keen and committed to making progress. During the research for my book (reviewer’s copy attached) it was clear that many people I interviewed believed (and trusted) that an incoming Labour government would surely issue the formal apology? It’s impossible to understand why this hasn’t happened. To issue an apology (perhaps with reparations under further discussion) would not only uplift the cohort impacted, but would cast the Government in a compassionate light.
Minister Daby, I urge you to agree to engage.
Very Kind regards,
Karen.
—
Karen Constantine
Kent County Councillor for Ramsgate
Kent Labour Group Deputy Leader.
**2024**
– **15 October 2024**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: Daby-DIARY PS <Daby-DIARY.PS@education.gov.uk>
Subject: Movement for an Adoption Apology. Meeting notes and update 15/10
Dear Florence,
Please thank Minister Daby for meeting with me on 15th October. I attached here an outline of our meeting from my perspective and details of the apology and support measures as requested by MAA — as I said I would.
I would be grateful if you could let me know the names and titles of the two other people who joined the meeting. I’m afraid I didn’t make a note.
Dear Janet,
I hope that I did successfully communicate how extremely important and urgent the matter of a formal apology in respect of historic forced adoptions is? If the women impacted are to receive an apology within their lifetime it needs to be prompt. Time is of the essence.
The 2024 Labour Party manifesto contains the following regarding Hillsborough Law,
“Without justice and the truth, victims and their families cannot move forward. Labour will right this wrong.”
As I stated we believe that this statement encompasses us, the women and children on whom adoptions were forced. Formal apologies and actions to support those impacted have now taken place in NI, Wales, and Scotland.
I walked you through the timeline of the Parliamentary inquiry…
– **13 September 2024**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: DABY, Janet <janet.daby.mp@parliament.uk>
Subject: Seeking a meeting at the Labour Conference Movement for an Adoption Apology. Case Ref: ZA84459
Dear Janet,
I hope my email finds you well?
Time is marching on—conference begins in just 13 days, I am still hoping that we can meet? I’d be most grateful and I’m sure our discussion on the Movement for an Adoption Apology would be useful to you.
Kind regards,
Karen Constantine.
– **11 September 2024**
From: “PS, Daby” <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk>
To: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Historic Forced Adoption.
Good afternoon Karen,
Thank you for your patience in our response on this. The Minister would be pleased to meet with you in the Department, or virtually, to discuss the Movement for Adoption Apology.
Our diary manager, Rosie, will be in touch with some times for the near future.
Many thanks,
Florence Flood
Private Secretary to Minister Daby
– **9 September 2024**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: PS, Daby <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk>
Subject: Re: Historic Forced Adoption.
Dear Florence,
Thank you very much for the update.
A more full response would be greatly appreciated. Do you know when that might be forthcoming?
Also would it be at all possible to diary a meeting with the Minister? I wondered if she would be attending Labour Conference as I will be there. Of course I realise that her time will be tightly managed, but 15 minutes would be welcome.
Kind regards,
Karen.
– **29 August 2024**
From: “PS, Daby” <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk>
To: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Historic Forced Adoption.
Hello Karen,
Sincere apologies for the delay in our response. We have been handling a significant number of invites for the Minister, and Parliamentary recess has put a slight delay on our processes.
We will be in touch on whether a meeting with yourself and the ‘Movement for Adoption Apology’ should be possible for the Minister in due course.
Regarding the Ministers Labour Party Conference diary, this is arranged through her political parliamentary office, who are contactable on janet.daby.mp@parliament.uk. We handle her Ministerial capacities, so any meeting would be accompanied by civil servants from the adoption team in the Department.
We will be in touch with relevant next steps shortly, and thank you in advance for your patience.
Many thanks,
Florence Flood
Private Secretary to Minister Daby
– **25 July 2024**
From: “PS, Daby” <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk>
To: karen@karenconstantine.co.uk
Subject: RE: Historic Forced Adoption.
Good afternoon Karen,
Thank you for your email to Minister Daby on historic adoption. I am confirming receipt from her Ministerial office. A fuller response will follow in due course.
Many thanks,
Florence Flood
Private Secretary to Minister Daby
Sanctuary Buildings, Great Smith Street, London SW1P 3BT
– **18 July 2024**
From: Helen Hayes <helen.hayes.mp@parliament.uk>
To: karen@karenconstantine.co.uk
Subject: (Case Ref: ZA84459)
Dear Karen,
Thank you very much for your email and your kind words. I am very sorry indeed to hear about Veronica’s passing.
I am unfortunately no longer part of Labour’s education team in Parliament. The Department for Education has not yet published the details of which minister will lead on children’s social care, but I would recommend contacting the new ministerial team directly through the Department for Education. I hope that they are able to find a time to meet soon to discuss your campaign.
I will continue to take a close interest in children’s social care and in the issue of forced adoptions, and I will continue to do what I can to press the urgency of the need for an apology. Thank you very much again for all of your work on this issue, please do keep in touch.
With all best wishes,
Helen Hayes MP
Member of Parliament for Dulwich and West Norwood
– **4 April 2024**
From: “HAYES, Helen” <helen.hayes.mp@parliament.uk>
To: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
Subject: RE: MAA update.
Hi Karen,
Thank you very much for this. I have just sent you a diary invite for this time.
With best wishes,
Niall
– **3 April 2024**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: HAYES, Helen <helen.hayes.mp@parliament.uk>
Subject: Re: MAA update.
I fully appreciate the pressure. 15th May pm is fine let me know full details in due course.
Kind regards,
Karen.
– **27 March 2024**
From: “HAYES, Helen” <helen.hayes.mp@parliament.uk>
To: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
Subject: RE: MAA update.
Dear Karen,
Thank you very much for your email and please accept my apologies for the delay in responding.
Helen has suggested meeting for a catch up on your campaign and some discussions Helen has been having with colleagues. Would meeting online work for you and are there any days of the week which are usually best and I can find a time?
I look forward to hearing from you.
Best wishes,
Niall
Niall Adams
Parliamentary Assistant to Helen Hayes MP
Member of Parliament for Dulwich and West Norwood
– **21 March 2024**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: HAYES, Helen <helen.hayes.mp@parliament.uk>
Subject: MAA update.
Dear Helen,
I hope my email finds you well? Aren’t we all having a torrid time… bring on a GE.
MAA recently attended TUC women’s conference – you may have seen some info on this. Having both worked for the TUC and being a ex member of the TUC women’s committee I thought this would be a useful way of raising their profile. It worked. It was also an extremely good event, so positive to be among so many sisters. The TUC are going to assist us promoting the message.
I think several people are making contact with an array of MPs including Harriet and Anne Keen – with whom I’ve recently had a very useful conversation. Obviously, everyone is understandably keen to move this important issue forward.
MAA are meeting in central London on June 1st – would you be possibly able to attend?
Also, I’m mindful of your idea of an engagement piece. Are you any closer to being able to meet with some of those impacted? Or is there a message to share that this will happen at an appropriate time?
An update from you would be greatly valued.
Very kind regards,
Karen.
PS I am also making solid progress with my book, with 25 people now interviewed. I might ask you in due course for a short forward? Would you be willing in principle?
—
Karen Constantine
– **22 February 2024**
From: Helen Hayes MP <helen.hayes.mp@parliament.uk>
To: karen@karenconstantine.co.uk
Subject: Re: Adoption apology. (Case Ref: ZA84459)
Dear Karen,
Thank you very much for your email and apologies for the delay in responding. I hope you are well.
I have had a number of very positive conversations since we spoke at Labour Party Conference about the need for a formal apology from the British Government for forced adoptions. I believe I am making some progress and I’ll be in touch as soon as there is more to say.
With all best wishes,
Helen
Helen Hayes MP
Member of Parliament for Dulwich and West Norwood
– **22 January 2024**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: HAYES, Helen <helen.hayes.mp@parliament.uk>
Subject: Adoption apology.
Dear Helen,
I hope you are well?
I wondered if there is any update on the Adoption Apology issues I raised with you and the ideas we discussed – I appreciate you must be extremely busy.
Kind regards,
Karen.
—
Karen Constantine
Kent County Councillor for Ramsgate
Dear Minister Daby,
The matter of an apology for historic forced adoptions.
Firstly, I hope my email finds you well after the recess?
It was good to meet you, Emma Davies, Deputy Director for Adoption, Kinship and Alternatives to Care and Tim Waters, Special Adviser, on 14 October. As promised, my letter detailing MAA’s ‘requests’ was provided to you on 16 October.
I have now had the opportunity to reflect on your response, received on 18 October, and to have discussions with MAA, the Movement for an Adoption Apology and other parties involved. I write again as a survivor of mother and baby homes, as an author, a Labour county councillor and as a member of the MAA steering committee.
MAA are continuing to campaign for a formal apology. Planned activities for 2025 so far, include an open day for members, liaison with academics with an interest in these historic matters, cooperation with film / documentary makers and journalists, continuing our work with the TUC and highlighting our joint work with our newly ‘recruited’ champions. It looks like a packed year, and this reflects our growing supporter base and mushrooming interest in historic forced adoptions. We are exploring all avenues to advance our cause.
In addition, AAM, the Adult Adoptee Movement, have also now requested that I seek a meeting with you on their behalf. Perhaps you could share your thoughts? MAA are also seeking to forge a closer link with AAM given the synergy between the two groups.
I’m sure you can understand how difficult life is for some of the MAA women (and their children), many of whom are living with lifelong trauma. It’s impossible for me to overstate the value of a formal apology for these abhorrent historic practices. I wonder again, if it would be possible for you to hold a short, agenda-driven listening / engagement opportunity with a 3 or 4 of MAA’s key activists. We believe that a positive engagement session could be very useful. We also believe an apology would not only boost our members’ morale, but as happened in Australia with Julia Gillard, it would boost the reputation of whoever finally gives an apology. Of course, we hope that would be our Prime Minister, Keir Starmer.
Without some progress, we feel we are in ‘permanent deferment’. We are concerned to make headway and would like some reassurance from the Government, especially in light of the comments made by Education Secretary, Bridget Phillipson on 17 October and Deputy Prime Minister, Angela Rayner more recently on 12 December, who, when interviewed, were asked if they would make the formal apology due, said, “I do recognise the grave injustice that was done to far too many women”, and “We have to learn the lessons of the past” respectively.
MAA also note the Government’s response to the same question to Cllr Vernon Smith, Chair Gloucestershire County Council on 31 July 2024, and Dr Michael Lambert on 02 August 2024. Also responses entered into Hansard, one to Gregory Stafford MP, UIN 3654, tabled on 30 August 2024 and the second UIN 8750 to Sir John Whittingdale MP on 14 October 2024. All largely repeating this same message, that the Government is aware and, of course, regrets the historic actions of previous governments.
One of these government responses states, “we are committed to ensuring that improvements are made in the way that those affected by historical adoption practices are supported.” However I can assure you from my own councillor casework, that access to intermediary support is complex and often too difficult to access. That access to trauma informed support is all but impossible, unless paid for from a private practitioner. This leaves many trapped by the historic trauma.
A further response directly from yourself states, “We have also written to local authorities, encouraging them to retain historical adoption records for 100 years instead of 75, to make access to records easier, and asking them to support access without undue delay to such records”. Could I ask how exactly is this request being managed and monitored? Encouraging authorities to maintain records is not the same as compelling them. Where is the support for elderly and, all too often, infirm and traumatised people to be adequately supported and enabled to access their records? I am particularly concerned about the guidance to councils given we are about to enter into an historic (and much needed) reorganisation of public services. What more needs to be done to protect these records?
Also in Hansard you state, “The department is currently funding the Adoption England project ‘Improving Adoption Services for Adults’, which is designed to maintain relationships and facilitate access to better support for adopted adults, including those adopted between 1940 to 1970. The department will continue to review the offer, including looking to learn from the approach of the devolved nations, and will consider how we can collaborate across government to provide support.” What are the headlines from this project? What assistance isavailable for those impacted after 1970?
The debate about historic forced adoptions isn’t static. It is evolving. It’s also intergenerational and will not dissipate. Leaning into our learning from our recent visit to meet activists in Northern Ireland we believe the U.K. Government is potentially in breach of:-
– The Forced Labour Convention 1930, which came into effect in 1932, and the UK ratified on 3 June 1931.
– The European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), which came into effect in 1953, and the UK ratified in 1951.
– The Abolition of Forced Labour Convention 1957 ,which came into effect in 1959, and the UK ratified in 1957.
– The Supplementary Convention on the Abolition of Slavery, the Slave Trade, and Institutions and Practices Similar to Slavery, 296 which came into effect in 1957, and the UK ratified that same year.
– The International Covenant on Civilian Political Rights (ICCPR) and International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (ICESCR), both of which came into effect in 1976, and the UK ratified that same year.
In addition, the UK became bound by the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW) in 1986, and by the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (UNCAT) in 1988 – shortly before the last Mother and Baby institution closed.
We request that you note since the mother and baby institutions closed in the mid 1980s the UK has become party to the Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC) (which entered into force in 1990, and the UK ratified in 1991) and the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (which entered into force in 2008, and the UK ratified in 2009). This is of course in addition to the somewhat narrower grounds of Right to Family life.
We feel that as we are aging, time is against us, and we are keen and committed to making progress. During the research for my book (reviewer’s copy attached) it was clear that many people I interviewed believed (and trusted) that an incoming Labour government would surely issue the formal apology? It’s impossible to understand why this hasn’t happened. To issue an apology (perhaps with reparations under further discussion) would not only uplift the cohort impacted, but would cast the Government in a compassionate light.
Minister Daby, I urge you to agree to engage.
Very Kind regards,
Karen.
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Karen Constantine
Kent County Councillor for Ramsgate
Kent Labour Group Deputy Leader.
8/5/2025
18.41
Dear Karen
Many thanks for your email. I’m writing to confirm receipt from the Minister’s office. We hope to provide a response as soon we can.
Best regards,
Riccardo
Riccardo Robertson | Head of Office to the Minister for Children and Families
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
Sent: 02 May 2025 12:16
To: Janet DABY <janet.daby.mp@parliament.uk> PS, Daby <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk> PS, Daby <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk> DAVIES, Emma3 <Emma3.DAVIES@education.gov.uk>
Subject: Movement for An Adoption Apology.
Dear Minister Daby,
I hope this email finds you well. I am writing to follow up on our previous communications regarding the need for a formal government apology, human violations, our concerns regarding DES, suicide rates, reparations and preservation of records relating to forced adoption practices and family separation. Despite your two reassurances on 28 January and 9 April ‘25 that we would receive updates post-CSR and after Easter, we are still awaiting further information. (Please note our previous correspondence was also sent on behalf of the Adult Adoptee Movement which didn’t appear to be acknowledged.)
Could we kindly have that update please?
Also given the current plans for local government reorganisation, and the risk to records that reorganisation inevitably poses, we urge you to now issue an instruction for all relevant records to be maintained and protected for a period of 100 years. This should include immediate steps for their preservation and digitisation to mitigate the risk of loss, as the importance of these records cannot be overstated.
Additionally, we would like to draw your attention to the attached correspondence from Minister John Swinney, where he acknowledges in part the need for a commitment to an oral history project. Initiatives of this type are essential to ensuring that the voices of those affected are heard and that we can move forward with understanding and healing. It would be wonderful to see the U.K. government move in the same direction.
We appreciate your attention to this urgent matter and look forward to your prompt response.
Please kindly confirm receipt of my email.
We thank you for your continued interest and support.
Yours sincerely,
Karen Constantine.
Movement for Adoption Apology England.
Copy and text of the letter from John Swinney MSP.
Rt Hon John Swinney MSP
An Fhior Urr John Swinney BPA
First Minister of Scotland
Am Priomh Mhinistear
St Andrew’s House, Regent Road, Edinburgh EH1 3DG
Taigh Naomh Andrais, Rathad Regent, Dùn ideann EH1 3DG
Jeannot Farmer, Movement for Adoption Apology Scotland
Copied to: Maureen Nicholson, Movement for Adoption Apology Scotland
Dr Janet Greenlees, Glasgow Caledonian University
Marie McNair MSP
marie.mcnair.msp@parliament.scot
S c o t t i s h G o v e r n m e n t
Riaghaltas na h-Alba
29 April 2025
Dear Jeannot,
Thank you once again for taking the time to meet with me recently. I was very grateful for the
opportunity to hear directly from you and Maureen about the important work that the
Movement for Adoption Apology Scotland is doing to raise awareness of the lasting impact of
historic forced adoption practices and forced family separation. I was also grateful to hear
from Dr Greenlees about the importance of record preservation.
I have given careful consideration to the two key requests that you raised during our
conversation, specifically on the establishment of a truth and recovery project and on rapid
legislation mandating the immediate preservation and digitisation of records. These are
significant proposals, and I fully appreciate the reasons behind them given the trauma that
many people continue to endure, and the need for wider societal recognition and education
in relation to this painful chapter in our nation’s history. I have also asked my officials to
carefully consider the paper you shared in advance of the meeting.
As I confirmed when we met, it is not my intention to establish a statutory public inquiry and
as we discussed I do not believe this would deliver the outcome you are seeking. However, I
very much recognise the importance of acknowledging the past and creating space for the
sharing and proper recording of personal testimonies. With that in mind, I have asked
officials to further explore the potential for an oral history project and they will be in touch
with you shortly to discuss how this might be best taken forward. We are keen to understand
what might be meaningful for those affected, and what is deliverable within the existing
budget and resources that are available.
In relation to the immediate preservation of records, I appreciate the issues raised and your
concern regarding the safeguarding of information. You will be aware that there is already a
comprehensive legislative framework in place in relation to adoption records in Scotland.
As part of this framework, the Adoption Agencies (Scotland) Regulations 2009 specify what
information should be held by adoption agencies as part of case records. When an adoption
is made, these records must generally be held by adoption agencies for at least 100 years.
The Regulations also place a duty on the agency to ensure that case records are at all times
kept in an accessible form in secure conditions and in particular that all appropriate
measures are taken to prevent theft, unauthorised disclosure, damage, loss or destruction.
Court records of adoption (i.e the record of legal proceedings and actual Adoption Order) are
subject to Sheriff Court/Court of Session rules and are kept permanently.
When mother and baby institutions closed in Scotland, all adoption records should have
been passed to local authorities or voluntary adoption agencies. However, some records will
have been lost or destroyed and I recognise the very significant and lasting emotional impact
on those affected. You higlighted during our discussion your view that legislation should
oblige public bodies, private institutions and charities to keep records relating to adoption
and family separation. I have asked my officials to explore this further with you, with a view
to Ministers considering whether new legislation may be needed and if so, what an
appropriate timescale and vehicle would be for bringing it forward.
I appreciate that this response does not fully meet your request for the establishment of a
comprehensive cross-government Truth and Recovery project, but l am keen that officials
work with you in the months ahead to advance the proposals referenced in this letter and I
have asked them to keep me updated as this work progresses. Above all, I want to assure
you of the Scottish Government’s commitment to engaging constructively with the Movement
for Adoption Apology Scotland and ensuring that the voice of those affected continues to be
heard.
Kind regards,
John Sweeney.
Thank you for providing the additional text. I will include it in the correspondence sequence in the correct chronological order. Here’s the updated record:
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**2025**
– **28 January 2025**
From: Janet Daby MP <janet.daby.mp@parliament.uk>
To: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
Subject: Response regarding historical adoption practices.
Dear Ms Constantine,
Thank you for your correspondence of 13 January, regarding historical adoption practices.
I want to thank you for keeping me informed of the work the Movement for Adoption Apology (MAA) and others will be involved in this coming year. I appreciate that this is very important to you personally and the members of the MAA and other organisations working in this area.
Officials at the department are reviewing the requests from your letter of the 16 October and are considering where the department can support. This may take some time as we need to consider the spending review which is still in progress. We will make sure to be in touch in the near future.
I recognise that using intermediary services may be challenging and that outcomes will not always be successful. My department has committed to writing to intermediary services to ensure that they are able to best serve people seeking information about their adoption records, birth family, or to establish contact with birth relatives.
I do recognise the concerns you have raised and understand the importance of these issues. Please be assured that I am giving this matter every attention and that I truly recognise the urgency for everyone affected.
Thank you for writing to me. I hope that this response is useful.
Yours sincerely,
Jay
Janet Daby MP
Minister for Children and Families
– **9 April 2025**
From: Janet Daby MP <janet.daby.mp@parliament.uk>
To: ClIr Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
Subject: Response to concerns regarding women and adult adoptees.
Dear ClIr Constantine,
Thank you for your correspondence of 20 March, regarding women and adult adoptees. I am replying as the minister responsible for this policy area.
I do want to assure you that we are still looking very seriously at your concerns and those of the Movement for an Adoption Apology and I hope we will be able to make progress after Easter.
You flagged the question of the impact of Diethylstilbestrol. You may be aware that Karin Symth MP, Minister of State for Secondary Care in the Department of Health and Social Care, recently answered a Parliamentary Question on this. This can be found on GOV.UK at: tinyurl.com/2S4MMXMU.
I note also what you shared with me about the unpublished research from the United States of America. At this stage I am unable to comment, given the status of the findings, but I will be very interested to engage with this further when this is published. Departmental officials have advised me that they have no knowledge of similar studies in the UK which specifically relate to adoptees or birth mothers. In addition, the Office for National Statistics does not hold mortality statistics by birth status, such as whether a person is adopted, as this information is not recorded on the death certificate.
I am committed to doing more to support women, as well as adult adoptees, on whom poor historical practices have had an impact, and we are giving these matters detailed consideration.
Thank you for your kind invitation to meet. My office is aware of your request and will be in touch if I am able to do so in the near future.
Thank you for writing. I hope that this response is useful.
Yours sincerely,
Jay
Janet Daby MP
Minister for Children and Families
Sanctuary Buildings 20 Great Smith Street London SW1P 3BT
tel: 0370 000 2288 www.education.gov.uk/contactus/dfe
– **20 March 2025**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: Daby PS <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk>, Daby-DIARY PS <Daby-DIARY.PS@education.gov.uk>, Janet DABY <janet.daby.mp@parliament.uk>, Emma3.DAVIES@education.gov.uk
Subject: Update from MAA & AAM – ref. 2025-0001514
Dear Janet,
Thank you very much for your letter by email dated 28 January. I have shared this with both MAA and also AAM, and I feedback to you on their behalf.
We all deeply hope progress can be swiftly made with regard to a formal government apology. We remain baffled as to why this hasn’t yet happened, and it’s challenging for us to remain optimistic about the potential apology, and to see the value in our participation with the Government’s own inquiry.
As has been outlined, many people are suffering; trapped by a lifetime of trauma and shame, which a formal government apology would do much to alleviate. It is equally baffling that the UK government remains an outlier in global terms, being one of the last to issue a meaningful statement of apology to women and Adult Adoptees, many of whom are aging. Little wonder that so many I speak with now feel cynical.
If there was an update, or even a willingness to meet as requested many times, this could revive flagging belief that your government holds our concerns with genuine respect.
However, our concerns continue to expand. The recent media exposure of the impact of Diethylstilbestrol demands further investigation and action from the government. What action does your government propose?
New and devastatingly shocking research is emerging from the States indicating a suicide rate which is deeply disturbing. The initial findings of Professor Lynn Zubov’s ground-breaking research into suicide rates and life expectancy among Adult Adoptees and First Mothers, (which she advises to “Use with caution: These data points are currently being prepared for publication.”) are extremely concerning, and we would wish to know, how does the UK compare, and who – if anyone – is conducting this or similar research in the UK?
Professor Zubov details reported rates of attempted suicide and suicide:
“Survey data report 22.6% of adoptees and 22.7% of first mothers (also known as birth mothers) reported attempted suicide
Using the 0.6% rate of attempted suicide
Adoptees are roughly 37.65 times (37.64*0.6=22.58) more likely to attempt suicide
First mothers are 37.83 times (37.83*0.6=22.69) more likely to attempt suicide
First mothers’ [also known as birth mothers] rate of suicide.
According to the CDC, 5.7 out of 100,000 (0.0057%) of US women die by suicide
Out of the 245 adoptees who reported that their first mothers were deceased, nine stated that the cause of their mother’s death was suicide
Making the suicide rate among first-time mothers 3.67% (9 out of 245)
That makes first mothers more than 600 times more likely to die by suicide.
(3.67 divided by 0.0057 =643.8, 643 times 0.0057 = 3.66)”
I’d like to highlight the most shocking finding “first mothers are more than 600 times more likely to die of suicide.” This chimes with my own detailed research for Taken: Experiences of Forced Adoption. Suicide ideation was a key theme. (I did submit a complimentary copy of my book to aid government understanding.)
However, there was a further finding that caused us to take a very deep breath. “The average life expectancy for women is 80 years. However, only 18.3% of first mothers live longer than 80 years old.”
We would all be most grateful for an update on the apology matter, and would appreciate your comments on the research outlined, including details of any plans the government have to conduct similar research, to ensure Adult Adoptee’s and Birth / First Mothers are not at a further disadvantage compared to non-adopted people and mothers who did not experience this historic practice.
We are working with both the BBC’s Duncan Kennedy and ITV’s Sarah Corker to surface these life and death issues.
The public, and those directly impacted need to know the facts.
I would be grateful if you would confirm receipt of this email.
Kind regards,
Karen.
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**2024**
– **15 October 2024**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: Daby-DIARY PS <Daby-DIARY.PS@education.gov.uk>
Subject: Movement for an Adoption Apology. Meeting notes and update 15/10
Dear Florence,
Please thank Minister Daby for meeting with me on 15th October. I attached here an outline of our meeting from my perspective and details of the apology and support measures as requested by MAA — as I said I would.
I would be grateful if you could let me know the names and titles of the two other people who joined the meeting. I’m afraid I didn’t make a note.
Dear Janet,
I hope that I did successfully communicate how extremely important and urgent the matter of a formal apology in respect of historic forced adoptions is? If the women impacted are to receive an apology within their lifetime it needs to be prompt. Time is of the essence.
The 2024 Labour Party manifesto contains the following regarding Hillsborough Law,
“Without justice and the truth, victims and their families cannot move forward. Labour will right this wrong.”
As I stated we believe that this statement encompasses us, the women and children on whom adoptions were forced. Formal apologies and actions to support those impacted have now taken place in NI, Wales, and Scotland.
I walked you through the timeline of the Parliamentary inquiry…
– **13 September 2024**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: DABY, Janet <janet.daby.mp@parliament.uk>
Subject: Seeking a meeting at the Labour Conference Movement for an Adoption Apology. Case Ref: ZA84459
Dear Janet,
I hope my email finds you well?
Time is marching on—conference begins in just 13 days, I am still hoping that we can meet? I’d be most grateful and I’m sure our discussion on the Movement for an Adoption Apology would be useful to you.
Kind regards,
Karen Constantine.
– **11 September 2024**
From: “PS, Daby” <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk>
To: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Historic Forced Adoption.
Good afternoon Karen,
Thank you for your patience in our response on this. The Minister would be pleased to meet with you in the Department, or virtually, to discuss the Movement for Adoption Apology.
Our diary manager, Rosie, will be in touch with some times for the near future.
Many thanks,
Florence Flood
Private Secretary to Minister Daby
– **9 September 2024**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: PS, Daby <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk>
Subject: Re: Historic Forced Adoption.
Dear Florence,
Thank you very much for the update.
A more full response would be greatly appreciated. Do you know when that might be forthcoming?
Also would it be at all possible to diary a meeting with the Minister? I wondered if she would be attending Labour Conference as I will be there. Of course I realise that her time will be tightly managed, but 15 minutes would be welcome.
Kind regards,
Karen.
– **29 August 2024**
From: “PS, Daby” <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk>
To: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Historic Forced Adoption.
Hello Karen,
Sincere apologies for the delay in our response. We have been handling a significant number of invites for the Minister, and Parliamentary recess has put a slight delay on our processes.
We will be in touch on whether a meeting with yourself and the ‘Movement for Adoption Apology’ should be possible for the Minister in due course.
Regarding the Ministers Labour Party Conference diary, this is arranged through her political parliamentary office, who are contactable on janet.daby.mp@parliament.uk. We handle her Ministerial capacities, so any meeting would be accompanied by civil servants from the adoption team in the Department.
We will be in touch with relevant next steps shortly, and thank you in advance for your patience.
Many thanks,
Florence Flood
Private Secretary to Minister Daby
– **25 July 2024**
From: “PS, Daby” <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk>
To: karen@karenconstantine.co.uk
Subject: RE: Historic Forced Adoption.
Good afternoon Karen,
Thank you for your email to Minister Daby on historic adoption. I am confirming receipt from her Ministerial office. A fuller response will follow in due course.
Many thanks,
Florence Flood
Private Secretary to Minister Daby
Sanctuary Buildings, Great Smith Street, London SW1P 3BT
– **18 July 2024**
From: Helen Hayes <helen.hayes.mp@parliament.uk>
To: karen@karenconstantine.co.uk
Subject: (Case Ref: ZA84459)
Dear Karen,
Thank you very much for your email and your kind words. I am very sorry indeed to hear about Veronica’s passing.
I am unfortunately no longer part of Labour’s education team in Parliament. The Department for Education has not yet published the details of which minister will lead on children’s social care, but I would recommend contacting the new ministerial team directly through the Department for Education. I hope that they are able to find a time to meet soon to discuss your campaign.
I will continue to take a close interest in children’s social care and in the issue of forced adoptions, and I will continue to do what I can to press the urgency of the need for an apology. Thank you very much again for all of your work on this issue, please do keep in touch.
With all best wishes,
Helen Hayes MP
Member of Parliament for Dulwich and West Norwood
– **4 April 2024**
From: “HAYES, Helen” <helen.hayes.mp@parliament.uk>
To: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
Subject: RE: MAA update.
Hi Karen,
Thank you very much for this. I have just sent you a diary invite for this time.
With best wishes,
Niall
– **3 April 2024**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: HAYES, Helen <helen.hayes.mp@parliament.uk>
Subject: Re: MAA update.
I fully appreciate the pressure. 15th May pm is fine let me know full details in due course.
Kind regards,
Karen.
– **27 March 2024**
From: “HAYES, Helen” <helen.hayes.mp@parliament.uk>
To: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
Subject: RE: MAA update.
Dear Karen,
Thank you very much for your email and please accept my apologies for the delay in responding.
Helen has suggested meeting for a catch up on your campaign and some discussions Helen has been having with colleagues. Would meeting online work for you and are there any days of the week which are usually best and I can find a time?
I look forward to hearing from you.
Best wishes,
Niall
Niall Adams
Parliamentary Assistant to Helen Hayes MP
Member of Parliament for Dulwich and West Norwood
– **21 March 2024**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: HAYES, Helen <helen.hayes.mp@parliament.uk>
Subject: MAA update.
Dear Helen,
I hope my email finds you well? Aren’t we all having a torrid time… bring on a GE.
MAA recently attended TUC women’s conference – you may have seen some info on this. Having both worked for the TUC and being a ex member of the TUC women’s committee I thought this would be a useful way of raising their profile. It worked. It was also an extremely good event, so positive to be among so many sisters. The TUC are going to assist us promoting the message.
I think several people are making contact with an array of MPs including Harriet and Anne Keen – with whom I’ve recently had a very useful conversation. Obviously, everyone is understandably keen to move this important issue forward.
MAA are meeting in central London on June 1st – would you be possibly able to attend?
Also, I’m mindful of your idea of an engagement piece. Are you any closer to being able to meet with some of those impacted? Or is there a message to share that this will happen at an appropriate time?
An update from you would be greatly valued.
Very kind regards,
Karen.
PS I am also making solid progress with my book, with 25 people now interviewed. I might ask you in due course for a short forward? Would you be willing in principle?
—
Karen Constantine
– **22 February 2024**
From: Helen Hayes MP <helen.hayes.mp@parliament.uk>
To: karen@karenconstantine.co.uk
Subject: Re: Adoption apology. (Case Ref: ZA84459)
Dear Karen,
Thank you very much for your email and apologies for the delay in responding. I hope you are well.
I have had a number of very positive conversations since we spoke at Labour Party Conference about the need for a formal apology from the British Government for forced adoptions. I believe I am making some progress and I’ll be in touch as soon as there is more to say.
With all best wishes,
Helen
Helen Hayes MP
Member of Parliament for Dulwich and West Norwood
– **22 January 2024**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: HAYES, Helen <helen.hayes.mp@parliament.uk>
Subject: Adoption apology.
Dear Helen,
I hope you are well?
I wondered if there is any update on the Adoption Apology issues I raised with you and the ideas we discussed – I appreciate you must be extremely busy.
Kind regards,
Karen.
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Karen Constantine
Kent County Councillor for Ramsgate
Here is the organized email correspondence between Karen Constantine, Janet Daby, and Helen Hayes, arranged in date order with the latest emails first:
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**2025**
– **13 May 2025**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: Janet DABY <janet.daby.mp@parliament.uk>, Daby-DIARY PS <Daby-DIARY.PS@education.gov.uk>, Daby PS <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk>
Cc: Emma3.DAVIES@education.gov.uk
Subject: Movement for An Adoption Apology.
Dear Minister Daby,
I hope this email finds you well. I am writing to follow up on our previous communications regarding the need for a formal government apology, human violations, our concerns regarding DES, suicide rates, reparations, and preservation of records relating to forced adoption practices and family separation. Despite your two reassurances on 28 January and 9 April ’25 that we would receive updates post-CSR and after Easter, we are still awaiting further information.
Could we kindly have that update please?
Also, given the current plans for local government reorganisation, and the risk to records that reorganisation inevitably poses, we urge you to now issue an instruction for all relevant records to be maintained and protected for a period of 100 years.
Additionally, we would like to draw your attention to the attached correspondence from Minister John Swinney, acknowledging the need for a commitment to an oral history project.
We appreciate your attention to this urgent matter and look forward to your prompt response.
Yours sincerely,
Karen Constantine.
Movement for Adoption Apology England.
– **8 May 2025**
From: Riccardo Robertson | Head of Office to the Minister for Children and Families
To: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
Subject: Receipt Confirmation
Dear Karen,
Many thanks for your email. I’m writing to confirm receipt from the Minister’s office. We hope to provide a response as soon as we can.
Best regards,
Riccardo
– **13 January 2025**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: Janet DABY <janet.daby.mp@parliament.uk>, Daby-DIARY PS <Daby-DIARY.PS@education.gov.uk>, Daby PS <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk>
Cc: Emma3.DAVIES@education.gov.uk
Subject: The matter of an apology for historic forced adoptions.
Dear Minister Daby,
Firstly, I hope my email finds you well after the recess?
It was good to meet you, Emma Davies, Deputy Director for Adoption, Kinship and Alternatives to Care and Tim Waters, Special Adviser, on 14 October. As promised, my letter detailing MAA’s ‘requests’ was provided to you on 16 October.
I have now had the opportunity to reflect on your response, received on 18 October, and to have discussions with MAA, the Movement for an Adoption Apology, and other parties involved. I write again as a survivor of mother and baby homes, as an author, a Labour county councillor and as a member of the MAA steering committee.
MAA are continuing to campaign for a formal apology. Planned activities for 2025 include an open day for members, liaison with academics, cooperation with film/documentary makers and journalists, and continuing our work with the TUC.
I urge you to engage.
Very Kind regards,
Karen.
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**2024**
– **15 October 2024**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: Daby-DIARY PS <Daby-DIARY.PS@education.gov.uk>
Subject: Movement for an Adoption Apology. Meeting notes and update 15/10
Dear Florence,
Please thank Minister Daby for meeting with me on 15th October. I attached here an outline of our meeting from my perspective and details of the apology and support measures as requested by MAA.
If the women impacted are to receive an apology within their lifetime, it needs to be prompt. Time is of the essence.
Best,
Karen.
– **13 September 2024**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: DABY, Janet <janet.daby.mp@parliament.uk>
Subject: Seeking a meeting at the Labour Conference Movement for an Adoption Apology.
Dear Janet,
I hope my email finds you well? Time is marching on—conference begins in just 13 days, I am still hoping that we can meet? I’d be most grateful and I’m sure our discussion on the Movement for an Adoption Apology would be useful to you.
Kind regards,
Karen Constantine.
– **21 March 2024**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: HAYES, Helen <helen.hayes.mp@parliament.uk>
Subject: MAA update.
Dear Helen,
I hope my email finds you well? MAA recently attended TUC women’s conference – you may have seen some info on this.
I’d like to highlight the most shocking finding regarding the effects of forced adoption.
I’m also making solid progress with my book, with 25 people now interviewed.
Best,
Karen.
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**2023**
– **22 January 2024**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: HAYES, Helen <helen.hayes.mp@parliament.uk>
Subject: Adoption apology.
Dear Helen,
I hope you are well? I wondered if there is any update on the Adoption Apology issues I raised with you and the ideas we discussed.
Kind regards,
Karen.
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**2025**
– **13 May 2025**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: Janet DABY <janet.daby.mp@parliament.uk>, Daby-DIARY PS <Daby-DIARY.PS@education.gov.uk>, Daby PS <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk>
Cc: Emma3.DAVIES@education.gov.uk
Subject: Movement for An Adoption Apology.
Dear Minister Daby,
I hope this email finds you well. I am writing to follow up on our previous communications regarding the need for a formal government apology, human violations, our concerns regarding DES, suicide rates, reparations, and preservation of records relating to forced adoption practices and family separation. Despite your two reassurances on 28 January and 9 April ’25 that we would receive updates post-CSR and after Easter, we are still awaiting further information.
Could we kindly have that update please?
Also, given the current plans for local government reorganisation, and the risk to records that reorganisation inevitably poses, we urge you to now issue an instruction for all relevant records to be maintained and protected for a period of 100 years.
Additionally, we would like to draw your attention to the attached correspondence from Minister John Swinney, acknowledging the need for a commitment to an oral history project.
We appreciate your attention to this urgent matter and look forward to your prompt response.
Yours sincerely,
Karen Constantine.
Movement for Adoption Apology England.
– **8 May 2025**
From: Riccardo Robertson | Head of Office to the Minister for Children and Families
To: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
Subject: Receipt Confirmation
Dear Karen,
Many thanks for your email. I’m writing to confirm receipt from the Minister’s office. We hope to provide a response as soon as we can.
Best regards,
Riccardo
– **13 January 2025**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: Janet DABY <janet.daby.mp@parliament.uk>, Daby-DIARY PS <Daby-DIARY.PS@education.gov.uk>, Daby PS <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk>
Cc: Emma3.DAVIES@education.gov.uk
Subject: The matter of an apology for historic forced adoptions.
Dear Minister Daby,
Firstly, I hope my email finds you well after the recess?
It was good to meet you, Emma Davies, Deputy Director for Adoption, Kinship and Alternatives to Care and Tim Waters, Special Adviser, on 14 October. As promised, my letter detailing MAA’s ‘requests’ was provided to you on 16 October.
I have now had the opportunity to reflect on your response, received on 18 October, and to have discussions with MAA, the Movement for an Adoption Apology, and other parties involved. I write again as a survivor of mother and baby homes, as an author, a Labour county councillor and as a member of the MAA steering committee.
MAA are continuing to campaign for a formal apology. Planned activities for 2025 include an open day for members, liaison with academics, cooperation with film/documentary makers and journalists, and continuing our work with the TUC.
I urge you to engage.
Very Kind regards,
Karen.
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**2024**
– **15 October 2024**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: Daby-DIARY PS <Daby-DIARY.PS@education.gov.uk>
Subject: Movement for an Adoption Apology. Meeting notes and update 15/10
Dear Florence,
Please thank Minister Daby for meeting with me on 15th October. I attached here an outline of our meeting from my perspective and details of the apology and support measures as requested by MAA.
If the women impacted are to receive an apology within their lifetime, it needs to be prompt. Time is of the essence.
Best,
Karen.
– **28 January 2024**
From: Janet Daby MP <janet.daby.mp@parliament.uk>
To: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
Subject: Response regarding historical adoption practices.
Dear Ms Constantine,
Thank you for your correspondence of 13 January, regarding historical adoption practices.
I want to thank you for keeping me informed of the work the Movement for Adoption Apology (MAA) and others will be involved in this coming year. I appreciate that this is very important to you personally and the members of the MAA and other organisations working in this area.
Officials at the department are reviewing the requests from your letter of the 16 October and are considering where the department can support. This may take some time as we need to consider the spending review which is still in progress. We will make sure to be in touch in the near future.
I recognise that using intermediary services may be challenging and that outcomes will not always be successful. My department has committed to writing to intermediary services to ensure that they are able to best serve people seeking information about their adoption records, birth family, or to establish contact with birth relatives.
I do recognise the concerns you have raised and understand the importance of these issues. Please be assured that I am giving this matter every attention and that I truly recognise the urgency for everyone affected.
Thank you for writing to me. I hope that this response is useful.
Yours sincerely,
Jay
Janet Daby MP
Minister for Children and Families
– **9 April 2024**
From: Janet Daby MP <janet.daby.mp@parliament.uk>
To: ClIr Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
Subject: Response to concerns regarding women and adult adoptees.
Dear ClIr Constantine,
Thank you for your correspondence of 20 March, regarding women and adult adoptees. I am replying as the minister responsible for this policy area.
I do want to assure you that we are still looking very seriously at your concerns and those of the Movement for an Adoption Apology and I hope we will be able to make progress after Easter.
You flagged the question of the impact of Diethylstilbestrol. You may be aware that Karin Symth MP, Minister of State for Secondary Care in the Department of Health and Social Care, recently answered a Parliamentary Question on this. This can be found on GOV.UK.
I note also what you shared with me about the unpublished research from the United States of America. At this stage, I am unable to comment, given the status of the findings, but I will be very interested to engage with this further when this is published.
I am committed to doing more to support women, as well as adult adoptees, on whom poor historical practices have had an impact, and we are giving these matters detailed consideration.
Thank you for your kind invitation to meet. My office is aware of your request and will be in touch if I am able to do so in the near future.
Thank you for writing. I hope that this response is useful.
Yours sincerely,
Jay
Janet Daby MP
Minister for Children and Families
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**2023**
– **22 January 2024**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: HAYES, Helen <helen.hayes.mp@parliament.uk>
Subject: Adoption apology.
Dear Helen,
I hope you are well?
I wondered if there is any update on the Adoption Apology issues I raised with you and the ideas we discussed.
Kind regards,
Karen.
– **21 March 2024**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: HAYES, Helen <helen.hayes.mp@parliament.uk>
Subject: MAA update.
Dear Helen,
I hope my email finds you well? Aren’t we all having a torrid time… bring on a GE.
MAA recently attended TUC women’s conference – you may have seen some info on this. Having both worked for the TUC and being an ex-member of the TUC women’s committee I thought this would be a useful way of raising their profile. It worked. It was also an extremely good event, so positive to be among so many sisters. The TUC are going to assist us in promoting the message.
I think several people are making contact with an array of MPs including Harriet and Anne Keen – with whom I’ve recently had a very useful conversation. Obviously, everyone is understandably keen to move this important issue forward.
MAA are meeting in central London on June 1st – would you be possibly able to attend?
An update from you would be greatly valued.
Very kind regards,
Karen.
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**Emails to Janet Daby**
1. **13 January 2025**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: Janet DABY <janet.daby.mp@parliament.uk>, Daby-DIARY PS <Daby-DIARY.PS@education.gov.uk>, Daby PS <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk>
Cc: Emma3.DAVIES@education.gov.uk
Subject: The matter of an apology for historic forced adoptions.
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2. **02 May 2025**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: Janet DABY <janet.daby.mp@parliament.uk>, PS, Daby <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk>, PS, Daby <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk>, DAVIES, Emma3 <Emma3.DAVIES@education.gov.uk>
Subject: Movement for An Adoption Apology.
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3. **20 March 2025**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: Daby PS <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk>, Daby-DIARY PS <Daby-DIARY.PS@education.gov.uk>, Janet DABY <janet.daby.mp@parliament.uk>, Emma3.DAVIES@education.gov.uk
Subject: Update from MAA & AAM – ref. 2025-0001514
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**Emails to PS – Daby**
1. **11 September 2024**
From: “PS, Daby” <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk>
To: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Historic Forced Adoption.
*(Content as previously provided)*
2. **29 August 2024**
From: “PS, Daby” <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk>
To: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Historic Forced Adoption.
*(Content as previously provided)*
3. **25 July 2024**
From: “PS, Daby” <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk>
To: karen@karenconstantine.co.uk
Subject: RE: Historic Forced Adoption.
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**Emails to Janet Daby**
1. **13 January 2025**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: Janet DABY <janet.daby.mp@parliament.uk>, Daby-DIARY PS <Daby-DIARY.PS@education.gov.uk>, Daby PS <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk>
Cc: Emma3.DAVIES@education.gov.uk
Subject: The matter of an apology for historic forced adoptions.
Dear Minister Daby,
Firstly, I hope my email finds you well after the recess?
It was good to meet you, Emma Davies, Deputy Director for Adoption, Kinship and Alternatives to Care and Tim Waters, Special Adviser, on 14 October. As promised, my letter detailing MAA’s ‘requests’ was provided to you on 16 October.
I have now had the opportunity to reflect on your response, received on 18 October, and to have discussions with MAA, the Movement for an Adoption Apology, and other parties involved. I write again as a survivor of mother and baby homes, as an author, a Labour county councillor and as a member of the MAA steering committee.
MAA are continuing to campaign for a formal apology. Planned activities for 2025 so far, include an open day for members, liaison with academics with an interest in these historic matters, cooperation with film/documentary makers and journalists, continuing our work with the TUC and highlighting our joint work with our newly ‘recruited’ champions. It looks like a packed year, and this reflects our growing supporter base and mushrooming interest in historic forced adoptions. We are exploring all avenues to advance our cause.
In addition, AAM, the Adult Adoptee Movement, have also now requested that I seek a meeting with you on their behalf. Perhaps you could share your thoughts? MAA are also seeking to forge a closer link with AAM given the synergy between the two groups.
I’m sure you can understand how difficult life is for some of the MAA women (and their children), many of whom are living with lifelong trauma. It’s impossible for me to overstate the value of a formal apology for these abhorrent historic practices. I wonder again, if it would be possible for you to hold a short, agenda-driven listening/engagement opportunity with a 3 or 4 of MAA’s key activists. We believe that a positive engagement session could be very useful. We also believe an apology would not only boost our members’ morale, but as happened in Australia with Julia Gillard, it would boost the reputation of whoever finally gives an apology. Of course, we hope that would be our Prime Minister, Keir Starmer.
Without some progress, we feel we are in ‘permanent deferment’. We are concerned to make headway and would like some reassurance from the Government, especially in light of the comments made by Education Secretary, Bridget Phillipson on 17 October and Deputy Prime Minister, Angela Rayner more recently on 12 December, who, when interviewed, were asked if they would make the formal apology due, said, “I do recognise the grave injustice that was done to far too many women”, and “We have to learn the lessons of the past” respectively.
MAA also note the Government’s response to the same question to Cllr Vernon Smith, Chair Gloucestershire County Council on 31 July 2024, and Dr Michael Lambert on 02 August 2024. Also responses entered into Hansard, one to Gregory Stafford MP, UIN 3654, tabled on 30 August 2024 and the second UIN 8750 to Sir John Whittingdale MP on 14 October 2024. All largely repeating this same message, that the Government is aware and, of course, regrets the historic actions of previous governments.
One of these government responses states, “we are committed to ensuring that improvements are made in the way that those affected by historical adoption practices are supported.” However I can assure you from my own councillor casework, that access to intermediary support is complex and often too difficult to access. That access to trauma informed support is all but impossible, unless paid for from a private practitioner. This leaves many trapped by the historic trauma.
A further response directly from yourself states, “We have also written to local authorities, encouraging them to retain historical adoption records for 100 years instead of 75, to make access to records easier, and asking them to support access without undue delay to such records”. Could I ask how exactly is this request being managed and monitored? Encouraging authorities to maintain records is not the same as compelling them. Where is the support for elderly and, all too often, infirm and traumatized people to be adequately supported and enabled to access their records? I am particularly concerned about the guidance to councils given we are about to enter into an historic (and much needed) reorganisation of public services. What more needs to be done to protect these records?
Also in Hansard you state, “The department is currently funding the Adoption England project ‘Improving Adoption Services for Adults’, which is designed to maintain relationships and facilitate access to better support for adopted adults, including those adopted between 1940 to 1970. The department will continue to review the offer, including looking to learn from the approach of the devolved nations, and will consider how we can collaborate across government to provide support.” What are the headlines from this project? What assistance is available for those impacted after 1970?
The debate about historic forced adoptions isn’t static. It is evolving. It’s also intergenerational and will not dissipate. Leaning into our learning from our recent visit to meet activists in Northern Ireland we believe the U.K. Government is potentially in breach of:
– The Forced Labour Convention 1930, which came into effect in 1932, and the UK ratified on 3 June 1931.
– The European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), which came into effect in 1953, and the UK ratified in 1951.
– The Abolition of Forced Labour Convention 1957, which came into effect in 1959, and the UK ratified in 1957.
– The Supplementary Convention on the Abolition of Slavery, the Slave Trade, and Institutions and Practices Similar to Slavery, which came into effect in 1957, and the UK ratified that same year.
– The International Covenant on Civilian Political Rights (ICCPR) and International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (ICESCR), both of which came into effect in 1976, and the UK ratified that same year.
– The UK became bound by the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW) in 1986, and by the Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment (UNCAT) in 1988 – shortly before the last Mother and Baby institution closed.
We request that you note since the mother and baby institutions closed in the mid-1980s the UK has become party to the Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC) (which entered into force in 1990, and the UK ratified in 1991) and the Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities (which entered into force in 2008, and the UK ratified in 2009). This is of course in addition to the somewhat narrower grounds of Right to Family life.
We feel that as we are aging, time is against us, and we are keen and committed to making progress. During the research for my book (reviewer’s copy attached) it was clear that many people I interviewed believed (and trusted) that an incoming Labour government would surely issue the formal apology? It’s impossible to understand why this hasn’t happened. To issue an apology (perhaps with reparations under further discussion) would not only uplift the cohort impacted, but would cast the Government in a compassionate light.
Minister Daby, I urge you to agree to engage.
Very Kind regards,
Karen.
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2. **02 May 2025**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: Janet DABY <janet.daby.mp@parliament.uk>, PS, Daby <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk>, PS, Daby <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk>, DAVIES, Emma3 <Emma3.DAVIES@education.gov.uk>
Subject: Movement for An Adoption Apology.
Dear Minister Daby,
I hope this email finds you well. I am writing to follow up on our previous communications regarding the need for a formal government apology, human violations, our concerns regarding DES, suicide rates, reparations, and preservation of records relating to forced adoption practices and family separation. Despite your two reassurances on 28 January and 9 April ’25 that we would receive updates post-CSR and after Easter, we are still awaiting further information.
Could we kindly have that update please?
Also, given the current plans for local government reorganisation, and the risk to records that reorganisation inevitably poses, we urge you to now issue an instruction for all relevant records to be maintained and protected for a period of 100 years. This should include immediate steps for their preservation and digitisation to mitigate the risk of loss, as the importance of these records cannot be overstated.
Additionally, we would like to draw your attention to the attached correspondence from Minister John Swinney, where he acknowledges in part the need for a commitment to an oral history project. Initiatives of this type are essential to ensuring that the voices of those affected are heard and that we can move forward with understanding and healing. It would be wonderful to see the U.K. government move in the same direction.
We appreciate your attention to this urgent matter and look forward to your prompt response.
Please kindly confirm receipt of my email.
We thank you for your continued interest and support.
Yours sincerely,
Karen Constantine.
Movement for Adoption Apology England.
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3. **20 March 2025**
From: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
To: Daby PS <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk>, Daby-DIARY PS <Daby-DIARY.PS@education.gov.uk>, Janet DABY <janet.daby.mp@parliament.uk>, Emma3.DAVIES@education.gov.uk
Subject: Update from MAA & AAM – ref. 2025-0001514
Dear Janet,
Thank you very much for your letter by email dated 28 January. I have shared this with both MAA and also AAM, and I feedback to you on their behalf.
We all deeply hope progress can be swiftly made with regard to a formal government apology. We remain baffled as to why this hasn’t yet happened, and it’s challenging for us to remain optimistic about the potential apology, and to see the value in our participation with the Government’s own inquiry.
As has been outlined, many people are suffering; trapped by a lifetime of trauma and shame, which a formal government apology would do much to alleviate. It is equally baffling that the UK government remains an outlier in global terms, being one of the last to issue a meaningful statement of apology to women and Adult Adoptees, many of whom are aging. Little wonder that so many I speak with now feel cynical.
If there was an update, or even a willingness to meet as requested many times, this could revive flagging belief that your government holds our concerns with genuine respect.
However, our concerns continue to expand. The recent media exposure of the impact of Diethylstilbestrol demands further investigation and action from the government. What action does your government propose?
New and devastatingly shocking research is emerging from the States indicating a suicide rate which is deeply disturbing. The initial findings of Professor Lynn Zubov’s ground-breaking research into suicide rates and life expectancy among Adult Adoptees and First Mothers, (which she advises to “Use with caution: These data points are currently being prepared for publication.”) are extremely concerning, and we would wish to know, how does the UK compare, and who – if anyone – is conducting this or similar research in the UK?
Professor Zubov details reported rates of attempted suicide and suicide:
“Survey data report 22.6% of adoptees and 22.7% of first mothers (also known as birth mothers) reported attempted suicide
Using the 0.6% rate of attempted suicide
Adoptees are roughly 37.65 times (37.64*0.6=22.58) more likely to attempt suicide
First mothers are 37.83 times (37.83*0.6=22.69) more likely to attempt suicide
First mothers’ [also known as birth mothers] rate of suicide.
According to the CDC, 5.7 out of 100,000 (0.0057%) of US women die by suicide
Out of the 245 adoptees who reported that their first mothers were deceased, nine stated that the cause of their mother’s death was suicide
Making the suicide rate among first-time mothers 3.67% (9 out of 245)
That makes first mothers more than 600 times more likely to die by suicide.
(3.67 divided by 0.0057 =643.8, 643 times 0.0057 = 3.66)”
I’d like to highlight the most shocking finding “first mothers are more than 600 times more likely to die of suicide.” This chimes with my own detailed research for Taken: Experiences of Forced Adoption. Suicide ideation was a key theme. (I did submit a complimentary copy of my book to aid government understanding.)
However, there was a further finding that caused us to take a very deep breath. “The average life expectancy for women is 80 years. However, only 18.3% of first mothers live longer than 80 years old.”
We would all be most grateful for an update on the apology matter and would appreciate your comments on the research outlined, including details of any plans the government has to conduct similar research, to ensure Adult Adoptee’s and Birth / First Mothers are not at a further disadvantage compared to non-adopted people and mothers who did not experience this historic practice.
We are working with both the BBC’s Duncan Kennedy and ITV’s Sarah Corker to surface these life and death issues. The public, and those directly impacted need to know the facts.
I would be grateful if you would confirm receipt of this email.
Kind regards,
Karen.
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**Emails to PS – Daby**
1. **11 September 2024**
From: “PS, Daby” <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk>
To: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Historic Forced Adoption.
Good afternoon Karen,
Thank you for your patience in our response on this. The Minister would be pleased to meet with you in the Department, or virtually, to discuss the Movement for Adoption Apology.
Our diary manager, Rosie, will be in touch with some times for the near future.
Many thanks,
Florence Flood
Private Secretary to Minister Daby
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2. **29 August 2024**
From: “PS, Daby” <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk>
To: Karen Constantine <karen@karenconstantine.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Historic Forced Adoption.
Hello Karen,
Sincere apologies for the delay in our response. We have been handling a significant number of invites for the Minister, and Parliamentary recess has put a slight delay on our processes.
We will be in touch on whether a meeting with yourself and the ‘Movement for Adoption Apology’ should be possible for the Minister in due course.
Regarding the Minister’s Labour Party Conference diary, this is arranged through her political parliamentary office, who are contactable at janet.daby.mp@parliament.uk. We handle her Ministerial capacities, so any meeting would be accompanied by civil servants from the adoption team in the Department.
We will be in touch with relevant next steps shortly, and thank you in advance for your patience.
Many thanks,
Florence Flood
Private Secretary to Minister Daby
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3. **25 July 2024**
From: “PS, Daby” <Daby.PS@education.gov.uk>
To: karen@karenconstantine.co.uk
Subject: RE: Historic Forced Adoption.
Good afternoon Karen,
Thank you for your email to Minister Daby on historic adoption. I am confirming receipt from her Ministerial office. A fuller response will follow in due course.
Many thanks,
Florence Flood
Private Secretary to Minister Daby
Sanctuary Buildings, Great Smith Street, London SW1P 3BT
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